Title:
Disaster Preparedness | Robin Wearley’s Impact Through ADAPTS
Subtitle:
An Entrepreneurial Journey Creating Solutions While Revolutionizing Safety for All
Transcript:
Alycia Anderson: Welcome to Pushing Forward with Alycia, a podcast that gives disability a voice. Each week we will explore topics like confidence, ambition, resilience, and finding success against all odds. We are creating a collective community that believes that all things are possible for all people. Open hearts, clear paths.
Let’s go.
Welcome back to Pushing Forward with Alycia. You guys, I’m so excited about this episode today because it is all about women empowerment, entrepreneurship. It’s about disaster preparedness. It’s about an incredible woman who I met. It’s been seven years or something like that. I think we met in 2018. We were just talking about it.
Robin Wearley: Today’s guest is Robin Wearley, and she’s incredible. She is this entrepreneur, innovator that has created something that is actually protecting disabled people from natural disasters, and being able to get out of situations that they might not otherwise have been able to. And in a world where we are needing that more than ever, with all kinds of things going on, from needing to get off planes, to fires, to all the things that go on, she innovated something that she turned into a business. So this show is not only about being more prepared in a disaster, but it’s also about coming up with an idea, putting your expertise from your past career into play, and creating something that I assume, and you’re gonna be able to fill in the blank, that didn’t exist before. That was desperately in need, and you saw the human need of something and created it. So Robin, welcome to the show. It is so good to see you. It’s been way too long since we have spoken, so welcome.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And yes, I’m glad we’re touching base again. Yeah, you pretty much set the stage there. I was a flight attendant before, and I realized there wasn’t a good way to get people who use wheelchairs out of an airplane in an emergency. ‘Cause your wheelchair is in cargo, usually. And I had a friend of mine who was a frequent flyer, John Morris, from wheelchairtravel.org. You probably know him. Who called me up one day and said, “How am I getting out of this plane in an evacuation?” He was the inspiration for this. I tossed and turned all night, and realized that there wasn’t really a sling or a way to get people out. It was just a grab-and-go situation where fellow passengers would grab them and run out with them. People can get hurt that way. So after trying to get it into the airlines and meeting with people in the airlines, I realized maybe I should just sell it to the end users.
And the community has been just incredibly welcoming, and helpful, and spreading the word. And we’ve morphed into disaster preparedness now, after the wildfires, or hurricanes, or flooding, or earthquakes. There’s just a million ways where there might be rubble outside that you can’t roll over.
Alycia Anderson: A million ways and a million disabled people all over the world that get in situations where alarms are going off, there’s no access out. We are left behind. We don’t know what to do. And so I can imagine that the community is embracing this, especially in 2025, with all of the disability inclusion advocacy and all of the voices that are coming out.
That’s how these movements spread, scale, and become businesses with the community leaning in and going, “You know what, the world might not see the need or understand the need for this. We’re gonna help you bring it to light, and show the value, and help you scale hopefully.” So I think that’s incredible.
Talk about the beginning. You told your whole story right there in two sentences. You’ve had this very incredible career in the airlines, and in service and medicine. Will you talk a little bit about your past career and how that translates to your hard work of bringing this type of invention to the world. You worked with people. talk about that a little bit.
Robin Wearley: Yeah. I was a flight attendant for 10 years, and then I retired, went back to school, and became a physician assistant. I did that for about 10 years clinically. And then I used that experience to move into the pharma industry and became a frequent flyer. And that’s where I met John. All that experience dovetailed into this moment. I say I got struck by the lightning bolt when he asked that question, but into this moment where there’s this unmet safety needfor people who travel on airplanes. I had to find a seamstress.
I didn’t know how to put the thing together. When I met you, we had just launched our Kickstarter campaign, so I needed money. And fortunately, friends, family, people in the community came together and donated. And we met our goal for Kickstarter, so we were able to do our first production run. But I think it was just kismet that all my three professions came together to this moment where I just had to do it.
Not to sound cheesy, but it’s like a calling. I just had to do it. At the time, not really being necessarily a business person, I think I may be blessed with a little bit of intuitive business sense.
Alycia Anderson: No, that was good. You were talking about putting the breadcrumbs together of your career. It came together and then you saw the vision, I’m assuming.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Before we even talk about when we met, talk about, so our viewers can get a visual in their head and our listeners more importantly, if they’re not watching on YouTube, what is ADAPTS?
Alycia Anderson: Explain the actual product. You said you had to pull out the sewing machine and create it. Talk about what ADAPTS is and what it does.
Robin Wearley: Yeah, I had to find people who knew what I didn’t know. But ADAPTS is basically a portable manual lifting sling. And I designed it to be able to fit on an airplane seat. As far as I know, it’s the only sling that could be used side-by-side for a lateral transfer, but also head-to-foot down a narrow aisle. It’s designed so anybody doesn’t require any education. Any kind of in-service or anything. You just grab a handle and you carry a person out and get ’em down the evacuation slide. It just weighs a pound and it’s bright yellow. And it’s bright yellow for a reason.
A lot of people say, “Why can’t it be black or something more subdued?” It’s bright yellow so that in low-light conditions when the electricity is out in your home or on an airplane when there’s smoke, it can be seen by people. And yellow is the international color of emergency equipment. The yellow masks that come down on the airplane, the yellow life vests on the airplane.
So that’s why it’s that color. Then it morphed from being just for the airlines to being any kind of emergency evacuation. We have pictures, our team taking John Morris down the stairway in a hotel, and you can do side-by-side in that instance. We had one customer, who the elevator was out in his hotel, and he was at a family reunion. He had used a power chair, so they couldn’t get that down the stairs. I feel like it should be on every floor that has an accessible room in a hotel, for sure, along with the fire extinguisher. Actually, that’s the point I was gonna go back to. When you say left behind, how many times have you gone to an elevator in the instructions for an emergency evacuation to people with disabilities?
Wait here for EMS to get you. So we started the “Why Wait?” campaign. Why wait when the person sitting next to you on the airplane can grab a handle and carry you out? Why wait at the elevator when your neighbor in the hallway of your apartment building high-rise or a hotel can grab a handle and carry you down the stairs?
Why wait for EMS?
Alycia Anderson: Why wait? This feels like it should be something that’s in every person’s disaster preparedness kit. We haven’t spoken for a while, so my brain always goes to the airlines, which, number one, I think it’s amazing that you were so forward-thinking in an industry that is so difficult for, specifically, wheelchair users to navigate and to have somebody to really care about something like this.
Being able to get a wheelchair user down an aisle in an emergency. Thank you for being that type of advocate because there’s so many things from an airline standpoint that we lose our absolute complete independence. From bathrooms, to navigating, to worst-case disaster and being stuck.
But we hear these stories too. For so many years of hotels, that’s one of my biggest fears is getting stuck. I was in a hotel a couple years ago, and the fire alarm went off. And it was just a false alarm, but I was like, “Oh my God. I’m stuck here. I’m literally stuck.” But then also you hear about the things like 9/11, and the fires in LA last year, and all these disabled people literally being left.
Robin Wearley: Yes. Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: Literally to die because there’s no way out.
Robin Wearley: I know of at least four stories.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: And so for you to bring this type of advocacy to light is not only so important with your creation to be offered and used readily available, and the importance of it and understanding that, but the education and the exposure on just the real issues. The inhumane thoughtlessness about how do you help disabled people survive situations that they were not thought of at all?
Robin Wearley: And honestly, think about everybody you know. Think about even your family members who are not disabled. Do they have a disaster plan?When you live in an area that’s got whatever natural disaster it has, California earthquakes or wildfires, or Florida hurricanes, how many people, regardless of whether they’re disabled or not, have a disaster plan ready? I think not very many people. Not very many people. And for people who are disabled, it’s even more important, because what if you get to a shelter and you weren’t able to bring your wheelchair with you? What about all of the things you need while you’re there? We have a checklist. I started this when I was living in California, for wildfire checklists. You gotta take your own situation into account and make sure your go-bag has whatever you need, and then you throw an ADAPT sling in there. The issue with the airlines too. Michelle Irwin from All Wheels Up, trying to get a wheelchair spot on the airplane. She and I teamed up when she contacted me because when she talks about wheelchair spots, the question always comes up. What happens in an evacuation if you have a wheelchair spot in the airplane? And Michelle’s answer until she met me was, “What do you do now?” It’s no different. There’s no plan, specifically for wheelchair users, to get out of an airplane in a disaster, other than grabbing you and running out the door with you. If you’re a person with osteogenesis imperfecta, brittle bone disease, or you’re a person who has anything like ALS, for example, where you have no muscle tone and they grab you under your arms, you’ll slip right through. People that don’t have limbs, you can’t grab them behind the knees. Sure, maybe a person who’s paraplegic would be easy enough to get out in that instance, but there are people that’ll get injured, grabbing that way.
ADAPTS was used on an emergency evacuation with one of our customers. She bought it in LA at that expo. A couple months later flew with her teenage son, and they had an emergency evacuation in DC. I guess she and her husband used the sling to get her son out and down the evacuation slide. And then they gave it to the flight attendants, who went back in and got an elderly lady out with it. I advocate for people to have their own. And then they’ve got it with them if they’re in the hotel and the elevator goes out, or if they’re going to Disneyland and they wanna get on a ride. There’s a million ways they can use their own, but I also want it in the overhead bins for the flight attendants to use in the safety kits, with the other safety equipment. That basically simulated the flight attendants running to the emergency kit, getting the elderly lady out and down the slide. So, I’ve got two airlines that stock it. Now I’m just waiting on the airlines in the US. These are international airlines, but I’m waiting on the airlines and the US to get on board with the idea.
Alycia Anderson: And is this a tough sell? Why wouldn’t they?
Robin Wearley: That’s a great question, and that’s probably the $64,000 question. It should be a great sell. It only weighs a pound. You could leave a six-pack of Coke off the plane and put this on. I don’t know what the resistance is. I couldn’t tell you Alycia, except in my own honest opinion, it hasn’t been an issue before. John Morris keeps track. He reaches out regularly to other frequent flyers and frequent travelers if they’ve ever been involved in an evacuation. And so far nobody’s responded that they have.
Alycia Anderson: But to your point, even with elderly, it feels like there’s so many use cases for it. I don’t foresee flight attendants lifting off a person in any condition to help them get off of a plane in an emergency. That just seems very awkward and difficult to do.
Robin Wearley: Here’s the history on that. When I was flying in the seventies and the eighties, we used to ask people to sit on one of the blankets. This was back in the days when they had blankets on the plane. Now, they don’t even have blankets on the plane. When they do, they’re like a little tissue paper blanket. Anyway, we used to have them sit on the blankets and for whatever reason, that fell out of favor. I don’t know if it was the community that didn’t like it or they just got rid of blankets. But it’s incredibly hard to grab the edge of a blanket and get someone out. In the seventies, the FAA and the Civil Aeronautics Board did a study with people on a mock airplane.
It was a Boeing 727, and they had people of variety of disabilities on the airplane. And then they had a mock evacuation. And to certify airplanes for flight, the crew has to be able to evacuate the entire airplane in under 90 seconds with half the doors open. So what this study determined was that people with disabilities, are you ready for this, need to sit as far away from the exits to allow able-bodied people to get out first. Now, in defense of the airlines, nobody is sitting farther than 30 feet from an exit. They were told to wait until the cabin crew could come back and help them get out after all the able-bodied people were out of the plane. Again, why wait? Why wait when the person sitting next to you, or behind you, or in front of you can grab a handle and carry you out when everybody else goes?
Alycia Anderson: No, it’s literally second-class citizen stuff. It’s, “Hey, disabled person, pay a full price on your ticket. You are not gonna be able to have independence on the flight because we’re gonna take your mobility device. You are not gonna be able to use the bathroom unless somebody can get you there, in which the aisle chair does not fit into the door.” So you have to find a way to get over to the toilet without getting somebody else’s urine on your hand. And then you need to also be the last person to be concerned with an evacuation plan.” It is so inhumane, like to the nth degree from a consumer standpoint. It’s unbelievable that it’s actually even okay, in any way, shape or form.
Robin Wearley: And able people don’t recognize that. They don’t recognize what you have to go through.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: Everybody lives in their own world.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: They don’t recognize what the challenges are.
Alycia Anderson: Airline, or a hotel, or 9/11, it’s, “Leave them there. We’ll go back and get them last.” And they die. Literally.
Robin Wearley: Yeah, literally. The other thing about hotels are high-rises. So they buy these chairs, they’re like the slinky wheels that go down. Those chairs are really expensive, like $1,500 minimum. Some are even more expensive, and they’re slow. So great.
They don’t put ’em on every floor necessarily. I don’t even know how many they might have. They may have one for the whole building. Who knows? Somebody’s gotta get that chair up to the person, and then take it down one person at a time. When you could have an ADAPTS in every accessible room in the hotel, and that’s the way to get everybody down.
There’s no having EMS or first responders drag that chair. You’re lucky if the person who knows how to use the chair is even at work that day.
Alycia Anderson: This totally morphed from just airplanes. I had people who know more about business than I do saying, “Why aren’t you selling these to the end users?”
Robin Wearley: And I’m like, “Duh.” And that’s how I ended up at the Abilities expos.
Alycia Anderson: So who’s your biggest client right now? Is that the end user?
Robin Wearley: Yeah, by far the end user. Yeah. People from the Abilities expos, and just online sales. I’m always trying to get bigger business-to-business contracts. The original intention was the airlines.
Now it’s morphed into hotels, arenas. Think about when you go to a football game, what if there’s an evacuation there? There’s just so many uses. And then disaster preparedness, the government. There’s just a lot of other venues now that I’ve had to consider.
The beauty of that is they order big orders at a time, whereas the end user orders, one or two, or four at a time. By the way, schools, we work closely with the Council for Exceptional Children, which is an organization for administrators for special-ed programs in schools.
Alycia Anderson: Oh my gosh.
Robin Wearley: So they’re all into the disaster planning.
Alycia Anderson: You just gave me a flashback from high school. Because I went to a high school that was two stories. We did not have an elevator for the first two years that I was there. There were certain teachers that would not move their classroom. I spent all sophomore year history in the library. They refused to move their class downstairs for me. That was back in the days where it was still okay to challenge ADA.
Anyway, they finally put this elevator into high school, and it’s one of those tin, kind of janky elevators. And when I was in high school, I was really embarrassed of my disability.
I did not wanna shout out loud from the rooftop, like, “I’m an advocate.” I’m like, “No, that’s not me.” That’s how I was in high school. And so one day, I’m going to class and I get stuck in the elevator midway, and there was no way for me to get down and there was this emergency button.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: Like no way am I pushing that.
Robin Wearley: I sat in that elevator for so long.
Oh, oh.
Alycia Anderson: To your point, that ADAPT should be in every school. Why would it not be?
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: It could even help with sports injuries and all kinds of things.
Robin Wearley: Oh yeah.
Alycia Anderson: Wow.
Robin Wearley: Even on the airplane. If somebody’s injured in a crash, you can get them out that way. In an airplane, you gotta get people out fast. Before there’s a fire that starts.
Alycia Anderson: I loved this idea of yours. When we met at that trade show, that’s when I was still in my corporate selling craze. “Oh, I wanna come sell for you. I wanna come sell for you.”I love what you’re doing. I think it is so innovative, it’s so forward-thinking. I am so happy that your business is scaling, and that you are growing, and all of these things seven years later.
That’s so incredible. It’s so important. It’s incredibly important.
I think you probably agree with me. I know you do. Just when you feel so stuck, and you think, “I’m giving up. I can’t do this anymore.” Something wonderful happens. Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about entrepreneurship. The grind.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: What is that story? How has it been? Give us an example of that. Because we were just talking about entrepreneurship. One day you feel like something came in, you’re like, “Yes, this is gonna work.” And then the next day you’re like, “I’m not gonna survive. I don’t know how I’m gonna do this.” So, talk about that a little bit and give us an example.
Robin Wearley: Yeah, I feel like you have to be pretty thick-skinned and realize that when you’re rejected for whatever reason, it’s not about you. It’s just whatever their business decision is. I think I had to learn that early on because I felt like every lead I’d track down or every proposal I’d try to get out there, if they didn’t buy it, I was like, “How could you not?” And I’m not gonna lie, probably every 10 times you cold-call some company or whatever, only one time they bite. The other thing is, you know how slowly the wheels turn. I say the wheels turn so slowly, they turn backwards. Especially with the airlines, it just takes them forever to make a decision. You get discouraged and you get lost. And then all of a sudden, boom, it opens up. You get a request for a proposal or a request for a quote. Next thing you know, you’re shipping ’em off to whoever’s using it.
The first airline that bought from me, I was so thrilled. I did the Happy Dance. Kenya Airways, put ’em on their 787 Dreamliners.
Alycia Anderson: Wow.
Robin Wearley: Those kinds of things happen just when you think it’s a dead issue, and all of a sudden it comes together. You just have to stick to it.
If you’re really committed to the mission and the vision, you just have to stick through it. If it was easy, everybody’d be doing it.
Alycia Anderson: Totally. That’s really good advice right there. I think especially in the business that we’re in, maybe you could give some advice there. It’s not only hard to sell, and be an entrepreneur, and scale a business. And that 1 out of 10, I even think it’s more than that. I have to reach out to 50 to a 100 new customers to get five new meetings to hopefully book one.
Robin Wearley: Yep.
Alycia Anderson: A constant grind every week. You have to work your process or it doesn’t happen, right? Things don’t just come to you. They do to a small percentage, right? But you have to have the hustle.
Robin Wearley: I always say you gotta work the plan for the plan to work.
Alycia Anderson: Oh, there you go.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: On top of that, you’re selling something. I’m selling something. Our community, who’s in business, is selling something that people don’t understand, they don’t think that they can relate to. So we’re not only selling a product. I guess any entrepreneur or business owner is educating in something, but there feels like there’s an extra layer of that in the business that we are in because it’s disability-related.
So for the entrepreneurs that are out there listening, what’s the advice there?
Robin Wearley: Yeah. I guess it’s just surround yourself with people who are gonna be your advocates and help promote everything. I just never turned down a single idea. People would come to me and say, “Have you done this? Have you done that?” Maybe I already have. Take it all in, ’cause you never know what’s gonna stick. You never know what’s gonna work. I guess be open to all the opportunities, whether you think they’re gonna fit or not. It’s really hard. You just really have to have the tenacity and the desire to really see it work.
And then couple that with the fact that we’re in a very niche business.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: But, anybody could become part of the disabled community at any time. That’s what people don’t understand either. You can say, “Oh, that’s not me. It doesn’t apply to me.” Someday, it very well might.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: It’s like no matter how small your target audience might be, there’s still the chance that something’s gonna come of it. And something that you think might be really small could be really big in the long run.
Could blossom out to something much bigger.
So I just don’t poo the little things.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: I treat the little order from maybe one little school district the same. I get excited about that as I would if Delta Airlines tomorrow bought 2000 units. Excited about both of them.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah. You’re doing amazing work, and you’re a testimony to all the women out there, too. That you can come up with an idea, create it, scale it, launch it, put it in the market, all the things, and help the world in the same time. It’s been beautiful to watch you grow this business, honestly.
Robin Wearley: Oh, thank you.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah. I wanna get involved. I love your business. I support it 100%. I think it is such a great, amazing idea, and I love it when someone creates something that you don’t see and there’s such a need for it. It’s so motivating for me as an entrepreneur to watch you, honestly.
Robin Wearley: To me, it’s like that career arc where I’ve done these other careers, and now I’m here. I’m technically retired 10 years ago, but “Ha.” And now I’m in the giving back stage, where I feel like I’m more than happy to help mentor people, and more than happy to help share my experience, and starting and running a business. I feel that’s my calling now, if you will. I used to say that you can never be too rich, or too thin, or have too many products for the disabled community.
Alycia Anderson: There you go. I love it.
Robin Wearley: There may be other slings out there on the market, and people just need to find which one is the best fit for them. But this is mine and this is my lane. And I’mmore than happy to help people learn from my mistakes and get it out there.
Alycia Anderson: So we’re gonna leave all of your information in the show notes. But I want you to tell our community and the companies that follow this show how to find you and buy ADAPTS for their company, organization, household, all of the things.
Robin Wearley: Okay, so we sell on Shopify. If it’s an end user customer, someone who travels, or whatever wants it for home, then go to ADAPTS, adapts.org/shop, and that will take you right to our shop page. By the way, ADAPTS, when I was trying to think of a name. It’s an acronym for a disabled passenger transfer sling.
Alycia Anderson: Ooh, I like that.
Robin Wearley: Yeah. I was at my dad’s, visiting my family, and I was in the shower thinking, “What should I name it?” I do my best thinking in the shower, and I go, “Oh my gosh, a disabled passenger transfer sling, ADAPTS.” And I jumped outta the shower, put my robe on and ran out to the family and said, “ADAPTS.”
And they go, “What?” And I go, “ADAPTS is the name of my sling.” And they go, “Why?” And I go, “A disabled passenger transfer sling.” Everyone’s like, “Eureka.”
Alycia Anderson: I love it. That’s incredible.
Robin Wearley: So it’s morphed, like I said, from that. Now we just call it ADAPTS portable transfer sling, or portable rescue sling. Now, as far as companies like airlines, or hotels, or whatever, send an email to us at info@adapts.org or to me, robin@apps.org, R-O-B-I-N, and request a quote. Because if it’s a bulk order, we can add in discounts, or shipping discounts, and so on.
If it’s a customer buying online, just one, or two, or three at a time, then we pay for shipping.
Alycia Anderson: I told you as we wrap up, we do a little pushing forward moment. Do you have a little advice, or a quote, mantra, something you could give away to our community to feel inspired on their way out?
Robin Wearley: Oh gosh. I wish I’d have thought of that before you asked me, Alycia.
Alycia Anderson: I like surprising my guests so they don’t know.
Robin Wearley: Yes, you do surprise me. I feel like I threw out all my quotes already. I think just the main thing is, if it were easy, everybody’d be doing it. You have to have follow through, you have to have good people around you. You have to be open to everybody’s ideas. When you’re in the brainstorming session, there’s no bad idea.
Alycia Anderson: No bad idea.
Robin Wearley: That’s not very poignant.
Alycia Anderson: I love it. I love it. There’s lots of people that follow this show that wanna know how to start businesses, and scale, and do all the things. So I think that’s really good advice.
Robin Wearley: Yeah.
Alycia Anderson: And I encourage everybody who’s listening to this show to follow ADAPTS and watch not only the amazing work that you’re doing, but also your entrepreneurship hustle and journey.
It’s very inspiring to watch as empowered women that are entrepreneurs. Robin, thank you so much for your time and coming on the show. It’s so nice to see you.
Robin Wearley: Thank you. It was so much to be on the show and I’m just so proud of you. You’ve come such a long way, you and Marty.
Alycia Anderson: Thank you.
Robin Wearley: It’s just wonderful to see all your success.
Alycia Anderson: I’m just gonna tell the story real quick. Our paths crossed at that booth in 2018 at a trade show, where I was dazzled by your product. And in that moment, when I was at your booth, somebody from the Miss Wheelchair California pageants ran by me. They dropped the flyer in my lap.
Said you should do this. They kept going. And I applied for that because I thought it would be a good platform to try to start to speak if I won. And I did not win. I won Miss Congeniality, which I think that’s a win.
Robin Wearley: Of course.
Alycia Anderson: That’s when my speaking career started in that moment right there with you at your booth.
Robin Wearley: Oh my gosh.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah. Your entrepreneurship. You know what? I haven’t thought about it for so long, but as we were starting, it brought me right back. I wrote my first advocacy speech for that event, and we were together in that moment. So I was telling Marty you always hold a special space for me in my heart. It’s something I’ll never forget, and you were right there with me.
Robin Wearley: Oh my gosh. That almost makes me cry. That is fabulous.
Alycia Anderson: Yeah.
Robin Wearley: That is wonderful. Ooh, I thought of a quote.
Alycia Anderson: Okay, good. What’s the quote?
Robin Wearley: My father, he is also an entrepreneur. My father used to say to me, “If you aim at nothing, you’ll hit it every time.”
Alycia Anderson: Ooh. I love that one.
Robin Wearley: Yes, but you gotta aim for it. Aim for the stars.
Alycia Anderson: That’s a really good pushing forward moment.
Thank you so much. It was so lovely to see you. We will stay in touch. Thank you to our community for showing up. Please share this episode. This product is so useful for our community. Don’t hold this episode for yourself. Share it out, and let’s get some eyes on ADAPTS.
This has been Pushing Forward with Alycia, and that is literally how Robin and I roll on this podcast. We will see you next time.
Robin Wearley: Thank you.